<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Snaptell Explorer &#8211; First Impressions</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.educatingsilicon.com/2008/10/15/snaptell-explorer-first-impressions/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.educatingsilicon.com/2008/10/15/snaptell-explorer-first-impressions/</link>
	<description>Listening for the pitter-patter of tiny metal feet.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:28:32 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Amazon Buys SnapTell at Educating Silicon</title>
		<link>http://www.educatingsilicon.com/2008/10/15/snaptell-explorer-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-734</link>
		<dc:creator>Amazon Buys SnapTell at Educating Silicon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.educatingsilicon.com/2008/10/15/snaptell-explorer-first-impressions/#comment-734</guid>
		<description>[...] visual search story of the day is that Amazon has acquired SnapTell. This is a really natural fit - SnapTell have solid technology, and Amazon are one of the best use cases. Not too surprised to hear the deal [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] visual search story of the day is that Amazon has acquired SnapTell. This is a really natural fit &#8211; SnapTell have solid technology, and Amazon are one of the best use cases. Not too surprised to hear the deal [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: A Round-Up of Mobile Visual Search Companies at Educating Silicon</title>
		<link>http://www.educatingsilicon.com/2008/10/15/snaptell-explorer-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-496</link>
		<dc:creator>A Round-Up of Mobile Visual Search Companies at Educating Silicon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.educatingsilicon.com/2008/10/15/snaptell-explorer-first-impressions/#comment-496</guid>
		<description>[...] developing mobile image recognition search engines. For people to whom that means nothing, see these posts. My robotics readers will have to forgive me for my sudden obsession with this topic, but I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] developing mobile image recognition search engines. For people to whom that means nothing, see these posts. My robotics readers will have to forgive me for my sudden obsession with this topic, but I [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Manmatha</title>
		<link>http://www.educatingsilicon.com/2008/10/15/snaptell-explorer-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>Manmatha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.educatingsilicon.com/2008/10/15/snaptell-explorer-first-impressions/#comment-389</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the pointers to your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the pointers to your work.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.educatingsilicon.com/2008/10/15/snaptell-explorer-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-386</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.educatingsilicon.com/2008/10/15/snaptell-explorer-first-impressions/#comment-386</guid>
		<description>Thanks, I corrected the index size figure.

Your precision concerns sound familiar - I work on this technology for place recognition in mobile robotics, and one wrong match can irrecoverably corrupt the robot&#039;s map, so we&#039;re also very focused on getting near-100% precision (though we&#039;re less concerned about recall).

The font problem I think isn&#039;t too severe - One decent solution is to detect text patches and use a less local descriptor for those image regions.

The &quot;Dummies&quot; issue is certainly harder. I face a related problem in place recognition in that many places share repeating features such as brick walls. (See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.robots.ox.ac.uk/~mjc/appearance_based_results.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). Our solution is to learn a generative model of the image data so that we know which parts of the image are distinctive and which are common. We learn correlations between sets of features also. I&#039;ve found it to give excellent results, although the largest index I&#039;ve worked with so far is about 100k images. 

The hardest case of detecting Bluray DVD vs regular DVD is really tough - I think probably beyond the abilities of current methods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I corrected the index size figure.</p>
<p>Your precision concerns sound familiar &#8211; I work on this technology for place recognition in mobile robotics, and one wrong match can irrecoverably corrupt the robot&#8217;s map, so we&#8217;re also very focused on getting near-100% precision (though we&#8217;re less concerned about recall).</p>
<p>The font problem I think isn&#8217;t too severe &#8211; One decent solution is to detect text patches and use a less local descriptor for those image regions.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Dummies&#8221; issue is certainly harder. I face a related problem in place recognition in that many places share repeating features such as brick walls. (See <a href="http://www.robots.ox.ac.uk/~mjc/appearance_based_results.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a>). Our solution is to learn a generative model of the image data so that we know which parts of the image are distinctive and which are common. We learn correlations between sets of features also. I&#8217;ve found it to give excellent results, although the largest index I&#8217;ve worked with so far is about 100k images. </p>
<p>The hardest case of detecting Bluray DVD vs regular DVD is really tough &#8211; I think probably beyond the abilities of current methods.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Manmatha</title>
		<link>http://www.educatingsilicon.com/2008/10/15/snaptell-explorer-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>Manmatha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.educatingsilicon.com/2008/10/15/snaptell-explorer-first-impressions/#comment-384</guid>
		<description>Interesting review.

Not sure where you got the 5.5 million number. Its currently 2.5 million and increasing.

We do a lot of things to improve accuracy. The iphone has one of the
relatively better cameras for a phone. Many of them are a lot worse and the goal was to make it work with virtually all of them. Blur is
one of the really bad things that can happen. We have to achieve a very high precision at 1 - most researchers look at precision at 3 or 5 but for a mobile phone there isn&#039;t enough screen
space to display multiple results. At the accuracies we are operating
a 1% gain in accuracy is a big win (a 1% difference translates to 10
queries out of a 1000) and usually paid for in terms of latency.

Latency. Most of the latency occurs outside our server and its not
clear why its happening. 

In terms of recognition, the Dummies problem you mention is a difficult issue.  A substantial portion of many of these covers is identical and in the case of the Dummies series there are about 2000 covers. The problem is complicated by the fact that there are
variations of this problem where the differences are even smaller
- eg Bluray DVD vs regular DVD and the difference is just a small
piece of text.  The system doesn&#039;t know whether the query was 
the portion of the book that was common or the other portion 
We are working on this and hope to resolve it in the future at least
for the Dummies case.

The font problem - some of this will hopefully go away in a future
version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting review.</p>
<p>Not sure where you got the 5.5 million number. Its currently 2.5 million and increasing.</p>
<p>We do a lot of things to improve accuracy. The iphone has one of the<br />
relatively better cameras for a phone. Many of them are a lot worse and the goal was to make it work with virtually all of them. Blur is<br />
one of the really bad things that can happen. We have to achieve a very high precision at 1 &#8211; most researchers look at precision at 3 or 5 but for a mobile phone there isn&#8217;t enough screen<br />
space to display multiple results. At the accuracies we are operating<br />
a 1% gain in accuracy is a big win (a 1% difference translates to 10<br />
queries out of a 1000) and usually paid for in terms of latency.</p>
<p>Latency. Most of the latency occurs outside our server and its not<br />
clear why its happening. </p>
<p>In terms of recognition, the Dummies problem you mention is a difficult issue.  A substantial portion of many of these covers is identical and in the case of the Dummies series there are about 2000 covers. The problem is complicated by the fact that there are<br />
variations of this problem where the differences are even smaller<br />
- eg Bluray DVD vs regular DVD and the difference is just a small<br />
piece of text.  The system doesn&#8217;t know whether the query was<br />
the portion of the book that was common or the other portion<br />
We are working on this and hope to resolve it in the future at least<br />
for the Dummies case.</p>
<p>The font problem &#8211; some of this will hopefully go away in a future<br />
version.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: SnapTell Explorer - Mobile Visual Search Heats Up at Educating Silicon</title>
		<link>http://www.educatingsilicon.com/2008/10/15/snaptell-explorer-first-impressions/comment-page-1/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>SnapTell Explorer - Mobile Visual Search Heats Up at Educating Silicon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.educatingsilicon.com/2008/10/15/snaptell-explorer-first-impressions/#comment-383</guid>
		<description>[...]          &#171; &#8220;But I&#8217;m Not Lost!&#8221; - Adoption Challenges for Visual Search Snaptell Explorer - First Impressions [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]          &laquo; &#8220;But I&#8217;m Not Lost!&#8221; &#8211; Adoption Challenges for Visual Search Snaptell Explorer &#8211; First Impressions [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

<!-- Dynamic Page Served (once) in 0.195 seconds -->
